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One way to look at this issue is inward. Consider your own education. When I consider my own, I rarely credit my teachers for my educational achievements. Nor do I blame them for my failures. And I had plenty of both. When I'm honest with myself, I know that it was my teachers and parents who helped me, but it wasn't until I chose to learn that I actualy learned.

Congratulations for working with students with such a good track record. That's a credit to you. You know what to do, that's why I described general patterns, not specific steps to take. I do offer specifics elsewhere, but only as illustrations, not scripts. Are you suggesting someone should offer a Dr. Laura website for teachers instead?

In general, we use different rhetoric to discuss learning, instruction, and schooling. I've found it useful to use how-to words and action patterns. Behaviorists recognize actions related to the words I offer.

We agree that teachers have a liability that goes with the NCLB duty irrespective of any "good" that occurs. That's one reason I urge teachers to write and talk about the good in public in order to try to reduce the public image of teachers "failing" all students. It's a PR tactic that policy wonks, makers and implementers can promote. Keep complaints and angst private so it doesn't foul up public views.

Doesn't one of the students in Dead Poet's Society commit suicide because of extreme academic pressures?

Unfortunately, your last post really does not clarify anything to me...I just see a string of jargon, talk of philosophy utterly divorced from talk of action. Am I right in assuming that you've never had a student fail? That these methods you describe are failure-proof? You state that your methods "increase chances of learning," does that imply that there is still a chance that the student might not learn, despite your implementation of what you see as best practices?

The reality is, I cannot claim a perfect record. Unfortunately, in the eyes of critics of education, the one student who does not pass the state reading test is considered more a reflection of my teaching ability than the sixty-two who did. That one who did not pass? To the powers, he was "left behind." I, as his teacher, failed him--at least according to those who examine the data. And you are also suggesting that I should be sued for his failure.

Every year of my career, my (mainstream and special ed inclusion!) students have earned 100% pass rates or near 100% pass rates in the state reading and writing assessments...at the most, one year I had three kids out of sixty who didn't pass one or the other. Something I'm doing must be right. My point with this discussion is this: regardless of all the right that is done in schools, the emphasis is always on the inability of teachers to post that 100%.

I'm merely positing that the blame should not fall exclusively on the teacher... besides the fact that the 100% expectation does not take into consideration the natural variation of learners that we deal with... even automated factories which mass produce objects will still have one or two outputs which have a great enough variation that they cannot be sent to the consumer. Yet schools, who deal with living human beings with willpower and the power of choice, are expected to achieve 100%?

As teachers know, NCLB policy developers and authorizors use data about what's possible to expect of teachers to prepare students to meet minimum academic performance standards. College prep is not part of NCLB. They address what is possible, not just what someone thinks should happen.

I use direct instruction and movies Stand and Deliver as well as The Dead Poet's Society that include depictions of specific ways to increase chances of students learning more from instruction. Teachers know these procedures. They're variations on the 3Ts and counting. They're the ones that rely on behavioral strategies and techniques without inferences to theories such as rebellion, motivation, have-to, ed reform, fixing, make, force, (did I leave out any relevant reference?) Behaviorists (seldom cognitivists) describe what a student sees, hears, touches, etc. to meet a lesson's learning criterion. Teachers implement these descriptions. Some call it a mechanical way to learn. Regardless of what it's called, it works. And yes, I hope teachers calculate risks of student failure when planning and conducting lessons. In turn, that may help to reduce vulnerabilities to court action because of what students do not learn, but that's probably a subject for another blog post.

I hope this clarifies why I said Wow! Do tell of successes, because readers may not know of your good works, but have heard more laments about public schools.

Bob, wow. "No, "rebellion" does not necessarily occur; it's a theoretical construct to explain observations that many people accept as fact." I want to live in your world. My sons are 21 and 23 and I am just beginning to recover from the theory.
Kristin, well said: "Why does it make sense for a policy maker to say a teacher should prepare every child for college, when the policy maker won't say a parent should prepare every child for school?" Early childhood learning will be a huge piece of educational reform, yet where is the parent accountability?
Mark, I just love your passion.

And Bob, hopefully when you read my posts, you see that I am not advocating for "letting students fail."

The scenario I described in the post is just the tip of the iceberg of what I and my teaching team did to bend over backwards to support that "unfixed" student. I don't have data to prove it, but I would bet we spent more time with that child than with all of his classmates combined... after school brainstorming, in class individualizing instruction, in wraparound meetings and intervention meetings; times when I would take over two classes (mine and my teammate's at the same time) so my teammate could spend TWO WHOLE PERIODS with that student to help him.

I'm saying we need to put in effort, of course, but reasonable effort. But we need to acknowledge that in the end, that kid chose not to do what we asked.

It bothers me, Bob, that you're suggesting this child should have the right to litigate. He could sue us for "letting him fail." That is absurd. We worked harder for that child than we probably should have. He chose to fail despite the efforts of a half-dozen teachers, a counselor, and an associate principal all on the same team to support him. Ultimately, his classmates who got As have a stronger case to litigate...since we spent so much time with him rather than with helping them reach their next level. They are the students, if any, who we failed that year.

Bob, please tell me, what pedagogical approaches cut across student choice?

What pedagogical approach forces the child to pick up a pencil and write...and I don't mean write well, I mean write ANYTHING on a piece of paper?

What pedagogical approach forces a child to show his work on a math assignment if the child chooses not to?

Please, Bob, specifics. The rest of us need these answers. How do we supersede their will and force them to succeed?

"Public education policy makers already know and have access to more information they consider more relevant than what teachers and other educators say individually."

That's a big part of the problem, and one we're trying to rectify with these stories. What teachers and educators have to say should matter. Why does it make sense for a policy maker to say a teacher should prepare every child for college, when the policy maker won't say a parent should prepare every child for school? Why does it make sense for a policy maker to say every child should go to college, when everyone knows not everyone will be happy there? Some kids want to use their hands and build things, or invent things, but funding for the interests and talents of those children is cut. Programs that might engage them are cut and they're told to adapt and enjoy university-bound academics.
Teachers can teach. Teachers are trained to teach and should be expected to teach. Teachers should not be expected to parent, counsel, feed and rehabilitate. When we are expected to do all of those things for a child who isn't getting them at home, we fail.

Good points, Mark, as usual. In a nutshell: Yes, people of all ages make choices. Yes, some choices appear inconsistent with dominant public interests. No, "rebellion" does not necessarily occur; it's a theoretical construct to explain observations that many people accept as fact. Teacher contracts signed under NCLB require teachers to use pedagogy to cut across student choices you mentioned. Technically, teachers do not have the right to allow a student to fail. (Yes, I'm pushing the point that has not been accepted through the US Supreme Court, but attorneys are looking for a test case likely to provide that review.) Public education policy makers already know and have access to more information they consider more relevant than what teachers and other educators say individually. So, consider describing the successes you have that result from teacher choices vs. the problems, ... .

Please elaborate, Bob.

I think one of the failings of "this generation of public school teachers" is that we are unwilling to "let" kids fail...a generation ago and beyond it was understood that there were many tracks into the adult world, and that some kids chose not to take the high school diploma track. This generation of teachers, however, with the demands for 100% pass rates on tests, has been forced to disacknowledge the fact that some kids, especially at the high school level, are capable of choice, and that choice can sometimes involve choices that the system does not endorse (teenage rebellion, anyone? Look at identity formation and adolescent psychology, they are wired to resist what we tell them to do). If we ignore that, we are doomed to failure because we are treating them (yet again) like a commodity to be conveyor-belted through our factory and dropped out the other end... as opposed to realizing that their staying on our conveyor belt is actually their choice, not something we can force.

As for who might be reading this: perhaps they might now reconsider what policies they support with a new understanding of the fact that students are individuals with their own will and choices, and consider how schools can better support kids toward the right choices, rather than just mandate that they be tested and tested and tested. Clearly, as the data I offered above proves, even those tests are subject to a greater force: student choice.

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