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Thanks, Brian, for at least pretending to agree (I respect pretending; it's a way to try on a behavior pattern) with what public school policy makers and potential major industrial employers of public school alumni say they consider appropriate background for future employees.

To Tom's point and question: They use math accomplishment as one metaphore for disciplined academic behavior.

To Brian's Q about my confidence in state assessments: For policy purposes, state standards denote minimum academic performance expectations for students. Formal assessment construction procedures establish the level of confidence to have in these standards. Each item in the assessment represents a category of possible items. Empirical methods identify items that most reliably discriminate among correct and other responses in the assessment. Separate from these procedures, political processes confirm the utility of the assessment for government purposes.

We also likely agree, Brian, that businesses in part use math accomplishment as an index of the likelihood a job applicant will add to their profit vs. cost. That background includes math (however prescribed by state standards) taught in your classroom as measured by whatever assessment the state requires.

Buinesses use math at least as an index of the level of minimum complexity in disciplined academic behavior an alum has handled successfully, much in the same way as do Tier 1 and 2 university admission officers, labor market forecasters, and some government officials who describe their labor pool while trying to recruit businesses into their tax bases.

As teachers know, third parties don't usually care about particulars learned as much as the level of alums' disciplined accomplishments. That's because they know something about competitive labor skills their businesses project as well as expecting that their employees will hold multiple as yet uncreated (is that a word?) jobs during their working lives.

And, no, Mark, a link in a longer process than schooling, not necessarily the problem, although it's insightful of you to mention it.

Business, philanthrophy, and government policies accept minimum academic performance by all students as the task public school teachers contract to accomplish.

I'm sure you already knew these things, and asked as a reminder to others. Glad to oblige.

I hope this speaks to your point, Brian.

Except that teachers are the problem, right?

Bob, let's say we agree. I still want to know how you are sure that the test in question does what you want it to do? I suspect you have never seen it. What are those minimum skills that major U.S. industries need their employees to have? (I really don't agree with that part of your argument, but we're just pretending anyway). Would it include calculating the volume of a trapezoidal sandbox? Because that was on the test. You seem to have a lot of faith that the people making these policy decisions and writing the tests are the best and the brightest, and we teachers in the classroom should acquiesce to their superior decision making ability. It seems like an underlying theme of much of what you say is that we teachers should shut up and teach.

Brian asked, probably rhetorically, "How can anyone believe that ... without questioning where the math bar has been set."

In the spirit of comity, here's the line of logic I've heard used by employers in major U.S. industries and U.S. education policy makers. The reason has three parts.

1. Set the math bar at the minimum level that prospective employers expect to require of job applicants in major U.S. industries.

2. Require math and other teachers to adjust their instruction, so all students pass that minimum performance threshold.

3. Reducing that performance level increases the risk that more public school alumni will not be employable much beyond grunt work in those industries.

Users of this logic rely on demonstrations by educators of how to meet these criteria. They expect that all teachers know these ways and can adjust instruction accordingly, but some will not do so adequately.

I'm guessing teachers know this logic and these parts, but some want to assert another position. Yes?

Brian, I once held up the proceedings at a boat launch for over forty-five minutes, getting all manner of "advice" from every fisherman and waterskier in western Washington.

Tracy, the kids who stay in the shallow end don't really have it so bad; there's plenty of stuff to do over there. Besides, most of them go home and ask there folks for swim lessons, which is a good thing. As for the kids who test into the deep end, (your veterinarians) they can always swim over to the shallow end and drive trucks for awhile. The more education you have, the more choices you get.

This week's EduCarnival is live at http://uncomfortableadventures.blogspot.com/2009/12/educarnival-v2-issue-15.html
You can submit an article to the next issue by emailing me or using the form linked on the page.

I love getting to read posts from people I'm not familiar with, so it'd be awesome if you'd put up a quick note encouraging your readers to submit as well!

Tom, thanks. That's what I've been trying to say.
I especially like launching the boat as part of the driving test. (I had a boat for a while; I never met standard.) That's exactly what asking a student to calculate the volume of a trapezoidal sandbox is like (I'm not making this up).
How can anyone believe that the same cohort of students that can pass the reading and writing parts of the WASL at an 80-90% rate can only pass the math WASL at 50% without questioning where the math bar has been set. Since it is illegal to disclose anything that is on the WASL the editorial boards that are defending "high standards" don't even know what they're defending.
Tracey, life is long. Every child is gifted. Some just open their packages later than others.

You might be right, Mark. But I'm still leery of tracking or having kids make such life-determining decisions at such a young age. It might be because I encounter so many kids who want to be both a truck driver and a veterinarian. I like that kids have the flexibility to change their "tracks", if they can manage it.

I think it is okay to have kids decide between technical college, university or other postsecondary options at age 14. I'm not for tracking into a career, but tracking into a kind of postsecondary option already happens. The decisions a kid makes from 14 on will determine what kind of post-high school options will even be plausible. If a kid wants to go to UW but doesn't take his freshman year seriously, then they've already cancelled that dream, in reality. I'm actually in favor of tracking for a lot of reasons: 1. kids can change tracks through demonstrated effort, 2. it creates classrooms where skills differences are lessened and skills needs can be more accurately and efficiently targeted, 3. in reality, you can predict with a great degree of accuracy the future (post-HS) trajectory of a student simply by looking at their transcript at the end of 9th grade (age 14 or 15).

I like how your message sounds much more positive than "sink or swim". It's "swim or splash around safely in the knee-high kiddy pool." But, what happens to those who are stuck in the kiddy pool? Oh, no! I just followed where this logic leads and I'm not sure I like it. It's the reason other countries track students for different careers, having kids make decisions about which track they're taking (technical college or university) at the age of 14. Did your metaphor just open a new can of worms?

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